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Post by Hugh Longshanks on Nov 5, 2011 10:23:52 GMT -6
Dahllia, I would be perfectly willing to send some of my alter-egos to an independent Shadow Clan. I need somewhere to put my Darkfriends...
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Post by almordre on Nov 5, 2011 16:06:22 GMT -6
my 2¢ worth on this discussion: Edvar - yes, we felt "betrayed" when you broke our alliance ("game feelings" - not gonna hunt you down in RL or anything ), but you did bring the game to life. Things had settled into a groove, and most of us were likely content at that point, at least for a time. We felt a little more betrayed by those of you who joined up with us, then started plotting against us - while still in the clan, no less. That stung worse. KR and I have considered the last couple rounds of GoS to be a success when we reach our normal goal, which is to control 10 towns - one more than half the world. We reached that goal in v7, and folks complained about our "domination" then. Tim made changes to the game to make it harder (nerfing clan support). Mainly, though, when v8 first kicked off and the War of Empires clan came into being, one early version of their clan info stated that their purpose was to "put Silver Legion in its place" or something like that…follow-up belowAs Edvar noted earlier, KR and I do like a challenge. All of these different things translate into the same thought in my head, and prob in KR's too: GAME. ON. We struck out in v8, and reached our "more than half" goal without much opposition, and were quite frankly wondering what to do next. Then, everyone - allies and even our own clanmates - started gunning for the Legion, and started calling us "evil." I'm still not sure where that comes from. I could bring Artur Hawking into the discussion as a not-evil ruler of the world, but KR might have too much fun with that. I also find it interesting that the Legion is so obviously "of the Shadow" and yet someone mentions bringing back the freakin' Forsaken as a way to "balance things out"… LOL And, at that point in the round, everyone began calling battles against us. Where is it written that we're supposed to say, "Oh, you called a battle - here, have a town." That certainly doesn't sound like fun to me. We decided that since we were being danged for it anyway, we might as well live up to our hero's motto: "Gee, Brain, whaddya wanna do tonight? The same thing we do every night, Pinky, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!" ;D We defended our holdings in every battle, and took a little more for our trouble as we could. We didn't set out to take over the whole world, but finally decided that it seems to be what everyone expected of us, so why let 'em down… There are numerous goals in GoS - personal rankings to work toward and clan control of towns chief among them. The Legion is simply playing the game. There are strong players in other clans that I can't beat many days. *glances at Hugh and fearless* There are players that run several alts. *ho, Cid* There have been bigger clans. *looking at you, WoE* All of the same pieces everyone cites about us exist outside the Legion as well, but for some reason nothing solid ever coalesces from them. I don't know why. I do know that KR and I have been working together since the Craig days, and this round we were lucky enough to attract other equally-dedicated players, and we play the game. And, instead of being seen as a goal, a challenge, or just as a worthy competitor, we have become an "issue." Still not sure how I feel about that… All of that being said, this round has been my favorite ever, in that the Legion has worked harder for loftier goals than ever before, and it has been a challenge. I hope that we can hash out solutions to the current complaints and go head to head again, and see how things work out...
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Post by almordre on Nov 5, 2011 16:18:03 GMT -6
As far as solutions to the "issue" - of the things offered so far, I really do like the idea of "decaying Ji" the most. It makes perfect sense in that it requires active maintenance for control of an area, and Tim's approach of it being percentage based should work really well.
**update: actually - just read through again -almost everything in Tim's idea post makes perfect sense. Several questions are running through my head about side effects of the town officer/Ji thing, though, but I can't quite make sense of them yet. more later
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Post by Uncle Cid on Nov 5, 2011 16:21:43 GMT -6
=D I don't really see it as an issue, personally i see it as you guys kicking ass. i left to help bring a balance and that help seemed to have stretched the game out a bit longer. or at the least, made things less monotone
I think the real issue is the lack of players overall. this game would be hugely successful with 200-300 regular players and 2-3 dozen small to large clans. that way something is always happening, towns are always switching control, alliances shine and crumble, and the only "issues" left are minor bugs that make their way into the system
heh if we had 2000-3000 regs, we would have to open up the rest of the world, add cities, and then we could really have a tarmon gaiden (spell check please, its been a while)
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Post by almordre on Nov 5, 2011 16:35:22 GMT -6
yeah, I pretty much understand everyone's motives in the situation now (except that Legion is "evil" thing), and I'm not looking to hunt anyone down, duct-tape earbuds into their skull, and put an iPod loaded with boy-band music on repeat, or anything drastic like that. I just listed all that stuff off to explain the things that led up to the Legion's push for more of the world - someone mentioned "greed" earlier, and that chafed a bit. This whole drive was really more of a reaction than a standing plan... and, I agree that more players would liven things up, and make the game a different experience. I'm curious - if it's not too proprietary, Tim, could you give us an idea of just how many actual people (not toons) have been active in v8?
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Post by Edvar al'Given on Nov 5, 2011 16:49:20 GMT -6
No offense guys, but in RL I hold a 3rd degree black belt in Isshin Ryu, 1st degrees in Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido, plus training in Kali, Kendo(Sword) MMA, and boxing. I wouldn't be worried if your whole clan came after me in RL lol. That said, it was never personal, I like you guys, always have. Just felt you had too many cities. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to be competitive with you guys So you can have whatever you want now, I won't be in the battle for awhile. Plus, I feel I lost some of my honor there, despite just doing what I felt was right. I'll meet my obligation in my own way.
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Post by Jenlyn on Nov 5, 2011 17:44:48 GMT -6
almordre, I never said anything in WoE's description about putting Silver Legion in its place. In fact, the whole time I led WoE, which was from the beginning through the first big set of clan battles, the clan description described the War of Empires game and encouraged GoS players to go try it out. The WoE clan had nothing to do with Silver Legion. It was an attempt to bring players from a different game into this one, and it was somewhat successful, in that I know of at least one player that will return, and I suspect there will be others. Many tried it out. I wish I could say that the GoS response in WoE was similar, but it was not.
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Post by Uncle Cid on Nov 5, 2011 17:52:04 GMT -6
I played woe for a few ages, but i never really got the hang of it, didnt have the time either. plus that whole thing of destroying players accounts and all hehe
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Post by almordre on Nov 5, 2011 21:04:59 GMT -6
apologies, Jenlyn. I swear I read something to that effect somewhere in relation to WoE. Maybe it was later in the game or a forum/chat post, something. I know I didn't imagine it... I do remember the cross-game lingo, now that you mention it. Mainly, though, when v8 first kicked off and the War of Empires clan came into being, one early version of their clan info stated that their purpose was to "put Silver Legion in its place" or something like that… **update** - So, the above statement has been pointed out to be "off". Apologies, to one and all. Apparently the things I read/heard about WoE essentially 'gunning for' the Legion came later in the game. I suppose I just saw the formation of a similar-sized clan with a number of experienced players as a direct challenge to the Legion. The later comments just replaced that perception in my mind, further into the round.
This doesn't change the fact, though, that the WoE/Legion rivalry had been firmly established by the end of the first few clan battles, which is the point when we actively began pushing out and taking *more* of the world. Maybe we did "start" this, then. Again, though, this was mostly reactive rather than a "plan" - at least until it became obvious that taking over the world was what everyone saw us as doing. Then, we figured, "why not try it?"
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Post by almordre on Nov 6, 2011 0:15:00 GMT -6
OK - since we're doin' the time, we decided to do the crime. Silver Legion really has taken over the world in a live round. It won't last long, I'm sure, so here's proof: Flame away, folks. We've earned it. Finally. ;D
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Post by King Richard on Nov 6, 2011 0:28:06 GMT -6
...There's only one thing I see that's wrong with this strategy: it works. I don't like it that they are able to take over the world consistently every version. When they first pulled it off in a official version (test site doesn't count), it felt like a herculean feat. And that's how it should be. There's just something I'd like to correct here. We've taken over the world twice before in test sites, but we've never taken the whole world in a live age. Until Now. As for the rest of this thread. I'll keep my comments short. I like Tim's refinement of all the good ideas everyone has had. And truly hope this will make the game more fun for everyone. But, I do see a flaw with the degrading Ji. While it would make it more interesting, and much harder to keep towns, imo, it will also make a stunt like we just pulled, easier to pull off. Also, how will this effect the Raids/Trolloc wars and the TG scenario? If that's what everyone wants, I'm ok with it though.
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Post by dahllia on Nov 6, 2011 7:07:46 GMT -6
if i had the will and sanity i'd send you an alt, but im already gonna be bogged down with my 4 in the reset and in v9 no worries. not playing allt that many chars from now on either EDIT: apparently I missed a whole page of replies >_<
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Post by Jenlyn on Nov 6, 2011 9:45:03 GMT -6
I played woe for a few ages, but i never really got the hang of it, didnt have the time either. plus that whole thing of destroying players accounts and all hehe It is incredibly difficult to destroy someone's account. It almost has to be a total noob (who refuses to give up and find a different target to fight with--they pop up once in awhile) against a skilled vet (who is irked or immature enough to wish to destroy a total noob--there are a few), or else an intentional suicide of the account by a bored player (seems to happen at least once per age). Now, to HINDER someone's account and torment them by making everything a bit of a struggle for them, that's quite possible. It is one of the game's charms. ;D
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Post by Hugh Longshanks on Nov 6, 2011 10:35:05 GMT -6
Kev, I just want to address a couple things you said (all are good points, believe me).
First, I don't think anyone actually sees SL as "evil." Accusations have been thrown (probably by Hugh here) within the game and on the forum that you're "doing the Dark One's work", but that's not exactly the same thing. I generally worry that one overly powerful clan can kill the game (trust me - Malkier came dangerously close a time or two when I was in it). This doesn't make you guys evil. It just makes the rest of us apathetic and/or discouraged, which is worse.
I remember a protracted flame war when the MUTTs first appeared regarding the danger of a powerful clan that would neither support the Light nor the Shadow, and whether or not that was ruining the game. I think the Legion could do a very good job as a Shadow-based clan. It’s a lot more fun to be the villain, and it’d give you more leeway to simply mess with people. My advocacy of returning the Forsaken would probably work in your favor if you decide to remain Lightside, as then you could be the main unifying army against the Shadow.
Regardless, the "issue" referenced in this thread isn't really about SL - it's about whether or not there is a viable challenge to you. I sincerely doubt you'd want to play the game if everyone just threw in the towel: it wouldn't challenge you, so you (like I) would get bored.
I have a great store of respect for everyone in the Legion. I simply want other clans to be able to equal you as much as possible. The last thing I would want would be for you to stop fighting. My job is simply to fight back.
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Post by alSeen on Nov 6, 2011 13:33:39 GMT -6
i just want to congratulate The Silver Legion on owning the world. The past versions i played i always fought them but mainly because when i actually had time enough to get into the game, i was a dualer and they were the best. i didnt play this version (college and all) but i looked at their line up of players and dear lord they have a good crew! so cheers guys!
PS. Edvar, dont quit. the game wouldnt be the same without its MHael
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